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Same-sex marriage

From: Australia South Australia Adelaide @melcyan Time : 2017-11-15 20:32:29

Today 61.6 % of voting Australians voted yes for same-sex marriage. I voted YES. My partner did not lodge a vote but her response to the question was a very definite NO. Every Chinese person I have spoken to in Australia is opposed to same-sex marriage. I want to know why opposition to same-sex marriage is much stronger for Chinese than it is for Westerners.



I saw a TV report today that 60% of Taiwanese support same-sex marriage. Why is mainland China so different from Taiwan. Maybe democracy is a factor? Has the cultural revolution played a part?



I am very interested to hear the views of Chinese CLM members, both male and female.


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From: China 江苏(jiang su) 扬州(yang zhou ) @paulfox1 Time : 2017-11-17 18:51:34 #1


@melcyan

Firstly, 'Democracy' is a myth. Mark Twain famously said 'If voting made a difference they wouldn't let us do it'

Trump's 'S' election was predicted by 'The Simpsons' decades ago

The FACT is that the Australian 'Govern-Ment' has wasted $176 MILLION DOLLARS on a 'vote' that can easily be overturned in parliament if TPTB decide to do so.

What for? How many 'pockets' were lined with tax-payer's money on a pathetic 'vote'?

Who really cares whether or not gay people can 'marry' - other than gay people

Love is Love - end of....If 2 people are happy and want to spend the rest of their natch together, who are WE to stop them or try to get in their way?

The whole thing was a money-making FARCE in order to rip off millions of tax dollars!

My only 'discomfort' is calling it a 'marriage'. Personally I would have preferred it if they had used another word rather than 'marriage' - but hey, that's just my opinion and I don't have to justify it to anyone.

Live-and-let-live ! As long as they are not hurting anyone or trying to force their beliefs on others, they should be free to do as they please.

Even Alister Crowley said 'Do as thy wilt'. He may have been an evil monster, but that phrase sits perfectly well with me.

As long as you hurt no-one - do what you want to do.

After all - isn't that how most Chinese people live?

 

From: China 江苏(jiang su) 南京(nan jing ) @spiderboenz Time : 2017-11-18 19:17:34 #2
Mao told the Chinese people to "have babies to strengthen PRC." Same sex couples tend to not produce nearly as many babies as traditional couples do. After Mao, with the creation of the One Child Policy... Families could only have one child, and if s/he was gay, well... No babies happen and the family line dies out. As a way around the family pressure to marry, "lavender marriages", where a gay man marries a lesbian woman, became popular within the LGBT community.
In feudal China, homosexuality was not considered a "shameful" thing. In fact, several Chinese emperors were known for taking male lovers and throwing gay orgies.

Unfortunately, modern PRC has internalized homophobia as a result. A perfectly example is how this website only accepts heterosexual individuals.
From: Switzerland Bern - Berne Bern @kalzorch Time : 2017-11-18 23:52:15 #3

I agree with Paulfox1 that the government shouldn't have anything to say about marriage.

To answer the question, I presume that mainland Chinese are more conservative than Taiwan, because they have less connection to the west.

From: Australia South Australia Adelaide @melcyan Time : 2017-11-19 14:45:43 #4

It is hard to put a figure on what percentage of the population are homosexual. However, I doubt that the percentage of homosexuals (in or out of the closet) is lower in China than it is in the West.

My partner says that she does not know any Chinese who are homosexual and sees homosexuality as completely unnatural. She was even unaware that "gayness" exists in many species that reproduce sexually.

Is this blinkered approach the norm in the mainland China population?

From: United States Texas Canyon Lake @YinTingYu Time : 2017-11-20 16:42:52 #5

@ Meylcan

Hello Sir Mel. Ying Ting Yu here. Although I am not a "Chinese" person I hope you will allow me to make a few comments??. Good.

I want to share my take on this issue but only from what I have gleaned in my dealings with Chinese folks.

Now, please understand that I am a totally "Red Blooded" fellow who really likes women. They each are so fascinating and at best,... beautiful. Caveat set.

I suspect, and it's only conjecture, that this opposition to same sex marriage stems from some latent "Chinazoidal" perspective based on centuries of rural tradition. I don't know if you have had the opportunity to live on the farm but the mindset goes something like this,...get or inherit some land, raise crops and livestock so one has something to EAT, take care of your wife and children and possibly aging parents.Then, when your time comes for transition to the next dimension, leave your holdings to the wife and kids. This way, some sort of legacy is established for future generations. If same sex marriage is allowed, it throws up a huge wall which threatens the very foundation of society. No children, no legacy, life becomes meaningless. Add to that the concept of "Face" (honor) and the departed elders are shamed if there are no future generations. Heaven forbid if dishonor is brought to the family name. We don't do THAT !!

So,...there's my little take on it but let me also say that I truly have no problem with same sex partnerships. If two people want to make a go of it, let 'em give it a good try. Shucks,... who am I to stand in their way??

I'll make the suggestion to lay my "take" on your Honey's head (if you dare) and see how it flys. It is recommended that you pay attention and NOT approach her with said query when she has a meat cleaver in hand (he he ha ha) !!

Take care Mel. Let us hear from you every once in while.

Peace and Blessings,...Gongji

From: China @QinQL Time : 2017-11-20 21:07:57 #6


@melcyan - I totally agree with your partner's. I haven't met any Chinese who are homosexual as well in my life though heard it or watched it from media.

From: China 江苏(jiang su) 扬州(yang zhou ) @paulfox1 Time : 2017-11-22 21:31:08 #7

During my 3 years in China I saw many, many 'guys' that were blatantly gay. So what?

The out-dated 'one-child-policy' has now gone 180 degrees. The govern ment would fine you for having a second child, yet now they are PAYING YOU to have one....

If lesbian or gay people can't have a child naturally, then surely they can adopt one. There's enough kids born into this sick world of ours who need loving parents

My brother and sister-in-law both died at 40 because they thought that having vodka on their cornflakes was fun. They left behind 5 kids under the age of 10.

Those kids would have been raised in a loving household if they had been adopted by LGBT people

The 40% of people who voted against this bill should be lined up and shot. Who the HELL do they think they are?

Just like the 'PC Brigade' who want to control what we say, write, or think.

If you don't like the guy on the radio or TV, then tune to another channel - don't make complaints because someone has a different opinion to you..............

 

Anonymous26044
@Anonymous26044 Time : 2017-11-23 11:30:40 #8

Having been to China many times I have witnessed open gayness on many occasions. If anyone  living in China says they don’t know of anyone or have not seen homosexuality in China they are either in denial or are oblivious to their surroundings. My Chinese gf says it is not natural and does not approve of it but has known about gay people since her early teens. As Chinese culture and tradition is slowly engulfed by western society gay people will become even more obvious in public in China. My partner also states it is not her business so she is not interested in discussing the topic. Personally as a heterosexual man I do not enjoy seeing male gayness but would never say it is wrong as they are born that way just as we are born heterosexual, it is not something you develope over the years or change into, you always knew you were attracted to the same sex. Don’t forget many gay men and women have been viciously beaten and ostracized because they were gay. 

 

From: China 江苏(jiang su) 扬州(yang zhou ) @paulfox1 Time : 2017-11-23 20:19:35 #9


@Anonymous26044

So what?

Open 'gayness' should never worry a heterosexual man unless the gay person wants to 'bum you'

Leave them alone and get on with your own miserable existence

 

From: Australia South Australia Adelaide @melcyan Time : 2017-11-24 18:49:49 #10

@QinQL

Success! At least one Chinese woman has answered me. Thank you QinQL!  My gut feeling tells me that at least 90% of Chinese women think similarly to you and my partner.

 

@Anonymous26044

Success! Thank you for responding on behalf of your Chinese partner as well as giving your own views. I understand what you are saying and for the most part, I agree.

 

Maybe I am being greedy but I hope I can get more responses from Chinese women or partners of Chinese women.

 

@paulfox1@spiderboenz@kalzorch@TingTingYu

Thanks, guys. Very interesting speculation. My own speculation is roughly in the same ballpark.

I haven't shared any of your speculation with my partner because she is not interested. I was going to discuss this with a Chinese man this week but my partner gave me specific instructions to not discuss anything controversial with him. Whenever we mix with other people my partner wants me to avoid any form of controversy. She would like me to do what she always does - nod and smile!

From: China 山东(shan dong) 济南(ji nan ) @sunrise68 Time : 2017-11-24 19:34:52 #11

I have never seen such things as homosexuality.

Anonymous26048
@Anonymous26048 Time : 2017-11-26 08:24:07 #12

Paul, get on with my own miserable life? Wow did someone put sour milk on your cornflakes lol my life is wonderful, maybe it is you who are feeling miserable 😎. Cheers 

From: China 河北(he bei) 保定(bao ding ) @sandy339 Time : 2017-11-26 12:58:48 #13

hehe congradulations Melcyan success again(party)

Ok first my opinion: the same sex is no problem for me, I am tolerant enough for different ways of living as long as they feel better and no harm to others. I remembered when a state in US passed the same sex law two Chinese American men were so angry and said the law might undermine their family value to teach their kids... I think life is too short to blame and we should make it more meaningful and interesting. hehe I am working for that also. I am lost often, but what keep me balance back is keep true to my heart no matter what:-) hehe nice to share it with you. 

 

From: Australia South Australia Adelaide @melcyan Time : 2017-11-26 14:44:48 #14

@sunrise68 and @sandy339 Thanks so much - double success!

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