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Horse Meat in Chinese Domestic or Imported Food Products?

From: China 四川(si chuan) 成都(cheng du ) @abi513 Time : 2013-02-18 10:57:52

There is a huge criminal scandal or conspiracy in Europe concerning horse meat and now pork products found in packaged foods blatantly mislabeled as beef.

Are any expats or Chinese concerned about Chengdu's hypermarkets such as Carrefour or Metro, for example, stocking these mislabled products?

Does anyone have any real information on whether any responsible Chinese Government Departments are being proactive (LOL) to inspect such stores?

I'm now also concerned about domestic Chinese meat distributors of packaged food labled as beef products, or containing beef ingredients, doing the same thing. After all, it is by NO means a stretch of the imagination that there are Chinese companies that would engage in similar illegal practices to make an extra Yuan.

Remember the rancid cooking oil scandal in Chinese restaurants? Tainted Baby milk powder? Now KFC has been under investigation for allegedly using suppliers who illegally used excessive hormones or antibiotics in their chickens.

When any scandal, to include food, is exposed in China by accident or death, the Chinese Government response is always the same...

"This will be thoroughly investigated and those responsible will be severly punished."

Why do those responsible never include the relevant government departments charged with inspections? Food inspectors, Coal mine inspectors, building inspectors, etc. ?

Why is it ONLY after someone dies or is injured, there is an army of government inspectors proudly displayed on TV sweeping China in a vain attempt to look like they're doing their job?

Dilligent and honest inspections is a NEVER ending job.

If the new reformed minded General Party Secretary is truly concerned about corruption and the welfare of his people (I believe he is), let food safety be a top priority and DEMAND the relevant government departments be PROACTIVE and not simply REACTIVE.

I believe he will, in time, but how much time is the big question.

Finally,I believe this rancid cooking or "Gutter" oil issue in China needs to be revisited and the public not blindly accept it is over.

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From: China 上海(shang hai) 上海(shang hai) @dongmei883 Time : 2013-02-19 08:47:01 #1
David, I don't think you love detective, I think you are the agent, if so that the character convergence point, hide your light under a bushel, especially political sensitive words, that would give his life safety trouble, there are many things you don't understand.

I am not warning, I'm good. Of course this article I prefer.

Sometimes I also in sohu published my blog, I more is ironic China social features, but was soon alien official website back and took my hair usually letters tell then bring a busby said: "your blog too talented, alien requisition. After thinking I see, never wrote, a friend also remind me or low-key right, don't give yourself into trouble.

I hope my advice can help you.
@Anonymous5022 Time : 2013-02-19 12:23:53 #2
去正规的大型超市购物,看清保质期,别图便宜,由其是肉类的产品,尽量不买小商小贩的,如果去饭馆吃饭 最好去个档位高一些的餐馆 ,应该不会有什问题,总不能因一些负面的报导就‘因噎废食’啥都不敢吃了,呵呵,,
From: China 福建(fu jian) 福州(fu zhou ) @destiny1 Time : 2013-02-19 13:39:22 #3
From: China 上海(shang hai) 上海(shang hai) @AmyQi1124 Time : 2013-02-19 16:02:02 #4
太多的可怕的食物进入市场,在贫困地区更可怕,我们无法控制,让人们无所适从,不知道什么是健康的,或者会带来可怕的疾病,各种传媒今天说这些是好的,可是不久又说这些是有问题的,你是无法得到真相。这就是现实的中国。普通人只能接受所谓的命运的安排吗?难道这些人的生命就不值钱吗?太多的孩子得了癌症,人们无力抗争,只能忍受?也许他们已经习惯忍受这样的生活!这是可悲的~!Too many terrible food into the market, in the poor areas more terrible, we can't control, let people not know what to do, don't know what is healthy, or will bring terrible disease, all kinds of media said today these are good, but soon said these is a problem, you are unable to get the truth. This is the reality of China. Ordinary people can accept the so-called fate? Don't these people life is worth? Too many children had cancer, people to protest, can bear? Maybe they have used to tolerate this kind of life.This is sad!
From: United States Michigan Rockford @Tyler72 Time : 2013-02-19 22:09:48 #5
As far as horse meat in China goes, Ive eaten donkey dumplings in Guangzhou.. They were listed right there on the menu next to camel...

LOL, I dont think there's any conspiracy or cover up on the horse meat!

That said, I am afraid to eat fish in Chona because at some of the factories, namely leather tanneries, that I have been to, Ive seen rainbow colored liquid draining right out the back and into the ground... This is happening just across the street from those big village owned ish ponds. Who knows what kind of dangerous chemicals are in those fish. Its right out of Aron brockovitch (sp?). The pollution, both ground water and air turning into acid rain that must be finding its way into locally produced foods scare me even worse than bad cooking oil or mislabeled meats.

Fortunately Im only there in China for a couple weeks at a time, several times a year.. If I lived there year round, i would REALLY worry about my food.
From: China 河北(he bei) 保定(bao ding ) @sandy339 Time : 2013-02-21 15:14:38 #6
Hi David
You seem like a muckraker to me, (the Muck-rake, the man who could look no way but downward, with the muck-rake in his hand; who was offered a celestial crown for his muck-rake, but who would neither look up nor regard the crown he was offered, but continued to rake to himself the filth of the floor.---By Theodore Roosevelt)

Your thread reminds my experience in India, when we were in India, one Indian man laughed and giggled to share the tainted baby milk powder, fake eggs staff by showing internet pics to us, I felt uncomfortable, although it is true. I don’t think it is proper to talk these staff in public or to someone you barely know, yes I think we shouldn’t wash dirty linen in public. So at that time I had to share some dowry killing stories in his country to him, after that, he couldn’t laugh or giggle anymore. I don’t feel like defending your statement here, but I wanna share some similar stories in your country too:

First, let me introduce and solute to some muckrakers (in your country) and their works like Ida M.Torbell ‘s The History of the Standard Oil Company; Lincoln Steffens’s The Shame of the Cities and Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle, etc. Cos we talk something about food, so I would like share the story of The jungle, here goes:

The Jungle portrays the lives of immigrants in the United States with his exposure of practices in the American meatpacking industry during the early 20th century, based on an investigation he did for a socialist newspaper.
And some details in meatpacking site: in Chapter 14
With one member trimming beef in a cannery, and another working in a sausage factory, the family had a first-hand knowledge of the great majority of Packingtown swindles. For it was the custom, as they found, whenever meat was so spoiled that it could not be used for anything else, either to can it or else to chop it up into sausage…
Jonas had told them how the meat that was taken out of pickle would often be found sour, and how they would rub it up with soda to take away the smell, and sell it to be eaten on free-lunch counters; also of all the miracles of chemistry which they performed, giving to any sort of meat, fresh or salted, whole or chopped, any color and any flavor and any odor they chose…
In the pickling of hams they had an ingenious apparatus, by which they saved time and increased the capacity of the plant--a machine consisting of a hollow needle attached to a pump; by plunging this needle into the meat and working with his foot, a man could fill a ham with pickle in a few seconds…
There would be meat that had tumbled out on the floor, in the dirt and sawdust, where the workers had tramped and spit uncounted billions of consumption germs. There would be meat stored in great piles in rooms; and the water from leaky roofs would drip over it, and thousands of rats would race about on it…

As intellectuals, they care their country in their own ways and I do appreciate your care about China. Do believe me, I care it too. But no one could live in Neverland, maybe it is where you are? As for me, by the different token, I choose an another way to show my love and care about my country and the world by exploring some cosy stories to warm our heart and make our lives easier and cosier to live...

And for more similar muckraker stories, pls refer to McClure's Magazine.
From: Malaysia Sarawak Kuching @apothecary Time : 2013-02-21 22:34:07 #7
Well spike my hot pot with gutter oils ! We have an expression in English... " I am so hungry I could eat a horse", now we all are, why is everyone so upset ? There are some very good jokes of that sort circulating on the wider web.
From: United States California Sacramento @danruble Time : 2013-02-23 07:50:32 #8
@ sandy339... Muckraker is not always a bad thing... The Upton Sinclair articles and later novel servered to alert the public to possible unsafe, or unsanitary conditions.. Sinclair spent some time undercover to investigate the stockyards and slaughter houses of an very different USA of over one hundred years ago..The novel brought public support for Congressional legislation and government regulation of the industry, including passage of the Meat Inspection Act and the Pure Food and Drug Act. This legislation has made the US Food and drug industries the envy of the world.. Also bear in mind that Sinclair's book was a NOVEL.. not fact, but possibly based in fact to some degree.. there are many questions about the veracity of this work of fiction.. So.. you see a muckraker such as Sinclair , did by his actions help bring about an atmosphere of much safer drugs and food products, as well as improved working and living conditions... Again remember this was over 100 years ago.. Today some people try to circumvent the safety standards as witness contaminated farm produce traced back to foreign workers defacating in the crop areas and subsequent lack of common sense washing, storage and food preperation procedures. Yes there have been rare instances of food poisoning and contaminations, but pretty much all can be traced back to skirting the various laws designed to make our food the best and safest in the world..numerous inspections, surprise visits from the Government inspectors, stiff fines and jail time help keep itr that way.Yes, there have been payoffs and the like but the law serves us well. No program or law or procedure is fool proof, but perhaps 3,000 people die from food related illness, most caused by undercooked meats and poultry, or contamination of juices with other foods, or by unclean kitchen bpeople.. Putting that in context, about 7,000 die by drowning..Yeah... Swimming pools, bathtubs and boating accidents are twice as likely to kill you in the US. I would put the US food production and comsumption as among the safest on the planet today.
From: China 四川(si chuan) 成都(cheng du ) @abi513 Time : 2013-02-24 10:24:01 #9
@dongmei883 To the contrary, I understand many things (not everything) in the world, especially concerning corruption and injustices. However, thanks for your concern and warnings about China. I’m not too worried since Chinese in the P.R.C. are much more vocal and harsher than I through the internet and largely instrumental in raising public awareness and prompting positive responses by the Central and local government to various issues concerning the public in China. I feel relatively safe since I am not on the streets or the Internet “Promoting social disorder” which is China’s catch-all law for dissidents on various issues.

@destiny1 China has been one of the leaders in the world in research, development and usage of genetically modified rice. Scientists worldwide research this.

@AmyQi1124 We can only do something through public awareness and voicing any discontent through relevant government departments and demanding responses. The P.R.C. government and academics acknowledge food safety and the poisoning of the environment by factories illegally dumping hazardous waste are among the top issues and priorities to be addressed in China.

@Tyler 72 I worry about the fish also. I’ve never read any published reports on the mercury levels in China’s fish. I enjoy eating fish, but limit my intake in China.

@Sandy339 Muckraker! What a quaint and archaic term! Thank you! I aspire to be, but haven’t quite reached this level yet! Let Muckraker be my “Red Badge of Courage” (another classic American novel). I think maybe you possibly also got much of your information from Wikipedia. However, if you did, you left-out some important pertinent information, so I’ll quote the Wiki;

“The term muckraker refers to reform-minded journalists who wrote largely for popular magazines, continued a tradition of investigative journalism reporting, and emerged in the United States after 1900 and continued to be influential until World War I, when through a combination of advertising boycotts, dirty tricks and patriotism, the movement, associated with the Progressive Era in the United States, came to an end.

Before World War I, the term "muckraker" was used to refer in a general sense to a writer who investigates and publishes truthful reports to perform an auditing or watchdog function. In contemporary use, the term describes either a journalist who writes in the adversarial or alternative tradition or a non-journalist whose purpose in publication is to advocate reform and change. Investigative journalists view the muckrakers as early influences and a continuation of watchdog journalism. “

Thanks for quoting my favorite American president Teddy Roosevelt. However, you omitted a quote from him that was maybe more important or important concerning your comments on this thread;

“While cautioning about possible pitfalls of keeping one's attention ever trained downward, "on the muck," Roosevelt emphasized the social benefit of investigative muckraking reporting, saying:

“There are, in the body politic, economic and social, many and grave evils, and there is urgent necessity for the sternest war upon them. There should be relentless exposure of and attack upon every evil man whether politician or business man, every evil practice, whether in politics, in business, or in social life. I hail as a benefactor every writer or speaker, every man who, on the platform, or in book, magazine, or newspaper, with merciless severity makes such attack, provided always that he in his turn remembers that the attack is of use only if it is absolutely truthful
—Theodore Roosevelt “

“The muckrakers themselves proudly adopted the label.

The term eventually came to be used in reference to investigative journalists who reported about and exposed issues such as crime, fraud, waste, public health and safety, graft, illegal financial practices. A muckraker's reporting may span businesses and government. “

More details on the term Muckraker and famous Muckrakers in history can be found at Wikipedia at this link:

On February 17, 2013 The Global Times reported;

“Horsemeat scandal reaches Hong Kong as European lasagna recalled
Global Times | 2013-2-17 1:03:01

By Global Times

The government in Hong Kong urged the public not to eat a brand of readymade beef lasagna imported from Europe on Friday, after horse DNA was detected in the product, which might also contain veterinary drugs that are unsafe for human consumption.

The Centre for Food Safety (CFS) of the Food and Environmental Hygiene Department of Hong Kong said on its website it had ordered a halt to the sale of imported Findus Beef Lasagna.

A spokesman of the CFS advised consumers who have purchased the product, regardless of the batch, not to consume it and anyone feeling unwell after having eaten the product should report it to the center. No reports or complaints have been received.

The centre said the Rapid Alert System for Food and Feed (RASFF) of the European Commission detected horse DNA in the beef lasagna, which is produced by a British company and packaged by the French food-processing company Comigel in Luxembourg. The centre also said it is awaiting test results for the equine painkiller phenylbutazone, also known as "bute." The British company is voluntarily recalling the affected product, which were imported to Hong Kong.

The importer ParknShop, a Hong Kong-based supermarket chain, has over 260 stores in Hong Kong, Macao and the Chinese mainland. ParknShop and its subsidiary outlets, Great and Taste, sold the 360 gram packs of Findus Beef Lasagna at its stores throughout Hong Kong

The center said the retailer had stopped selling the affected product and initiated a recall.

A spokeswoman for the chain declined to say how many boxes it had imported, sold or recalled, reported the Hong Kong-based newspaper South China Morning Post on Saturday.

CFS staff have conducted checks at other retail outlets in Hong Kong and, so far, found no affected product available for sale.

The centre said it will continue to monitor the situation and order appropriate follow-up action.

The horsemeat scandal has spread throughout Europe over the past month. Member states of the European Union reached an agreement on a plan to control fraudulently labeled meats in the food market, the Xinhua News Agency reported on Wednesday.

Global Times

@danruble As usual, you’re spot-on with your comments concerning Upton Sinclair’s popular novel, The Jungle. Thanks for saving me the explanation of its significance in history and what it SHOULD teach individual people and governments worldwide.

Intelligent people can usually learn from others historical mistakes without repeating the same mistake. One of my favorite quotes is;

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
- George Santayana

I encourage everyone, regardless of citizenship, or your location in the world, to [a href=]Use a Small Ball to Push a Big Ball Forward[/a] which is largely the subject of my most recent Blog.

We can all make a difference, even if only in a small way!
From: United States California Sacramento @danruble Time : 2013-02-25 00:43:34 #10
Hat man.. Thanks for the kind words. Always a pleasure reading your work. Looking forward to more. By the way maybe the tainted Euro product should be "Findur Beef" By Comingle...
From: Canada Ontario Toronto @pourquoipasamour Time : 2013-02-27 15:25:19 #11
@ abl 513 Hi David, to be fair to China and the Chinese, quite honestly, I don't feel safe anymore eating food ANYWHERE in the world, that includes Brazil, US, Canada, you name it. It is funny all this fuss, because for decades horse meat is sold in France, openly, showing very clearly "horse meat". I would rather eat beef from a healthy horse than from a steer raised on feed full of hormones and antibiotics. We all know that in North America they give hormones to the chicken too, that is why you have those chicken breasts the size of a dish in the supermarket, it is not a "Super Chicken", it is HORMONES. I buy many times my produce and vegetables from people from a community center that grows food 100% organically and I eat only free range chicken. The world is falling apart David. Humans are destroying our planet. More damage was done to the Earth in the last 50 years, than the previous thousands of years. The companies in many industrialized countries lobby the government, use their clout, their money, their influence with the politicians (maybe even money "under the table") to prevent laws being passed to curtail certain procedures. The big guys hire an army of fancy lawyers etc. We pay with our health for their irresponsibility and greediness. The Great Lakes are full of PCBs. Quebec is the only province in Canada that uses Ozone to purify their drinking water, the others use chlorine. So we have many "idiopathic" (unknown cause) diseases right now, so many allergies, diseases that come out of nowhere, auto-immune diseases, we are all paying the price of the irresponsibility and greediness of some individuals. A recent American researcher found garbage, lots of huge plastic containers, in the floor of the Pacific Ocean stretching from HAWAII TO JAPAN. That is why I don't eat fish from the Pacific, and I use sea salt from the Mediterranean Sea. Not to mention the preservatives that they are putting in our food (we are eating mummified meat David, full of nitrites and only-God-knows-what-, I feel that people should totally boycott specially Mac Donald's for their criminal practices). One American researcher found a sausage that was in a dumpster for 3 years and it was (cosmetically) in perfect condition, this scared the hell out of me. Now, I make my own sausages and deep freeze then in vaccuum sealed packages, no salt, no preservatives. One should be very cautious with what he/she eats ANYWHERE in the world. Just to remind you, remember the scandal in Austria few years ago, they found traces of anti-freezing in some top class Austrian wines? The French buy wine in Brazil in large amounts and label it as "Made in France". Honestly? The only place I found safe eating food in all my life was when I visited the the natives in Brazil. You can feel the difference, how tasty the produce, vegetables, fish, fruits are. That is the real thing. But the so called "civilized men" use even "dipping" some fruits (e.g. peaches) to increase their shelf life. All in name of PROFIT. It is not the world that is sick, the inhabitants of the world are the ones that are sick, with their practices. But we will all pay the price. So, let us not criticize China or the Chinese since the West is perhaps a lot worse. Let us not throw stones at our neighbors roof, because ours is made of glass ..... Stop the world that I want to get off !!!!
From: Canada Ontario Toronto @pourquoipasamour Time : 2013-02-27 15:29:12 #12
Guys, try to rent a movie from the 70s, starring Charlton Heston, called "Soylent Green". It was supposed to be fictional, the bad news is that it is becoming reality.
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