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What Chinese Women (probably) do wrong when dating foreign men! 中国女性跟外国人谈恋爱时易犯的错误    

By Garreth Humphris
8695 Views | 23 Comments | 12/30/2013 2:30:44 PM

A Chinese bride = Gettyphoto

I've decided to put my thoughts together on this based on my observations and feelings in relationships in China. I will not say I am an expert by any standard - these are just my personal observations and ’fears’ and ’annoyances’ when dating Chinese ladies in China. If you are a lady reading this and identify some of the traits in this, consider if you might need to modify some actions to appear less so! If you are a male looking to date Chinese ladies, be ready for the emotions and situations and accept it is ’normal’ in China. 



Of course, everyone is different - but culture and cultural expectations means that many people will have similar ’ideas’ on these things. 



So, with that being said, Ladies, please don't...



1) Assume they are Chinese - likes and dislikes, actions and inactions.



We are shaped by our environment - the manners and conventions we learn from our families and our communities are important and indelible - you like him for being ’different’ but cannot handle this difference when the real truth is told! 



He will not do things the ’Chinese Way’ and he will probably not tolerate some of the restrictions a Chinese wife might put on a Chinese husband. He will not agree that certain actions make him a ’bad man’ or a ’playboy’ since these are perfectly reasonable in his culture and society. 



He will probably not agree with all family decisions and will not willingly comply. He will be independant and strong and not back down to your mother, father, uncle or older brother as you might expect. You will need to fight for him and explain his case to them - you will need to decide whether to support his strength and independence or side with the family. It is your family against him...who will you support?



There are so many things that will not be common, some will change and adapt to create a life together, and some things you will have to accept as living with someone who is culturally and socially different from you. Think about it this way - would you like to be taken and locked in a box for your whole life - not being able to see family and friends. Not being able to enjoy the things you used to do? Being told what to do and where to go, what is an acceptable action on an unacceptable one? Why do you want to do this to him?



2) Assume they are Chinese - Cultural Expectations



If you do not explain to your potential partner the cultural expectations of meetings, events and situations, you are probably being dishonest.

Example: You tell your partner that your father’s brother is in town on business and would like to take you both to dinner - he assumes an innocent request to meet the family when in fact, DaGe is doing the family reconnaissance/spy mission for potential inclusion into the family within 3 months! 

Warn him, don't leave him totally unaware! And if possible, keep DaGe and all the family scheming well away from him until he has agreed to marry you and spend the rest of his life with you.



Meetings with family and friends, events and gatherings all have expectations of others on them and unless you are absolutely 100% sure that your potential partner knows what they mean and what is expected in what time frame, it is better not to invite him. You are responsible for the path to your families’ acceptance of the situation and you will be the only one that can defend your spouse from your family in the future - do not start out by misleading him on the true nature of the event!



3) Think he will want a baby with you!



Seriously, Chinese thinking is that marriage = baby! No matter how impractical or dangerous it might be for the mother or infant! If he wants a baby as his prime concern, he will be chasing nubile under-30 year olds with child-bearing hips...not you!

This is not to say that a baby is not possible or would not be a happy addition, but to bring this up on the second date is not the path to matrimony! 

He is interested in you because of your elegance and experience, your match to his age and interests, your companionship and passion, not your ability to suckle young!



For many foreign men looking off-shore for a potential mate,they have identified things in the female population of their own community that they do not find attractive or interesting and are exploring other cultures for this ’spark’. If the man is older and already has children, or older and avoided children, then maybe ’having a child with you’ is not high on his list of things to achieve in this life-time! It is certainly not second date discussion material!



4) Tick off a checklist



Most of the ladies I have dated have a very clear ’path to marriage’ and they seem to have decided that it will take exactly 21 dates (plus or minus 17) and each date has a series of boxes in a checklist that needs to be marked off - if one is missed, a blind fury unfolds until the box is ticked - and then the game continues as if nothing happened!

The whole dating process seems to be a matter of ticking boxes and reaching targets with little spontaneity or free spirit. It appears to be a process or procedure that must be followed to produce the only a ’China Approved Marriage!’. A little harsh maybe, but you get the picture!



If you are resolutely following a pre-defined checklist and it has no concessions for differing opinions or finding common ground between you two as a couple it is asking for trouble - be aware that initially a man will ’let you have your way’ to a certain point. 

He is interested in your complexity and will want to spend more time with you...but if you continue this path of blind checklist ticking and fail to realise that he too is complex and needs compromise on certain issues, you will quickly drift apart! 

While marriage may be the ultimate target, there will be certain provisions that he will have that you will need to discover and dispel along the way! If you flippantly disregard any of these and fail to take the time to discuss and explore options with him, you will probably have issues...like iceberg vs Titanic issues.



And the issues and checklist items often do not match the status of the relationship...these rules dictate a dysfunctional relationship built on rules not trust and love. 

While these ’rules’ can be explained as a ’cultural normality’ at the start, they become a burden in a short time because they are marking off points rather than learning each other together. When response X means he is a ’good guy’ and response Y means he is a ’playboy’ and there is no ’middle ground’ such as ’he is a trustworthy guy who likes to occasionally meet his friends in a bar for a few quiet drinks' then you have some troubles brewing!



This sounds a little facetious - you can play this game but try not to make it so obvious that that is what is happening! Foreign Guys like to think that they have some free-will, even if they don't! Learn to allow them a little ego and the right to choose their next step! They are not as far along the marriage path as you and standing ahead of them continually screaming at them to catch up with you rather than going back a few steps, walking beside them and helping them along the steep rocky mountain path in the fog and misty rain might be a better strategy!



Remember that foreigners will be equating 'togetherness' as moving forward together at the same speed, if you are racing ahead out the front, not seeming to want to be ’together’ in the moment but somehow ’together’ in the future, this does not make a good impression...always wanting more, or never restful enough to enjoy the moment right now! A foreign male will likely see this path to marriage as a form of ’entrapment’... You get what you want, a secure and trapped man...and then you revert to Chineseness and ’force’ situations by weight in family numbers! Not a good situation he will ’willingly’ walk into - no matter how much he ’loves’ you! You might get initial ’wins’ in small battles, but you are in the campaign for the whole war!



5) Create complexity



In general, Chinese people seem to be able to turn the simplest idea into a complex Gorgian Knot! 



You seem to need to include every person you know in every situation:



- he suggests a meal out, you want to invite your parents or posse of friends...and he will pay to give you face!



- a trip to a scenic spot will have your jaunty niece and scowling nephew in tow, that you have to return at some totally inopportune time so that they can finish their homework.



- Auntie will chaperone you to go shopping and expect payment in a dinner of largely inedible stinky delicacies that he cannot eat, but will have to pay for!



- a quiet visit to meet your young adult child will be turned into a ’super celebration of family exuberance’ which neither he, or your child, will appreciate!



Yes, family is important...but so is solitude and togetherness! If you keep surrounding yourself in distractions - he will become easily distracted, feeling you are not interested in spending ’quality time’ with him. You are pushing a wedge between him and you by introducing more and more seemingly unimportant people between you and him! 



Slowly introduce family and friends - do not surprise anyone! Do not force people into false displays of affection or ’correct’ responses! You are trying to build real trust and deep commitments, not false face and ’easy wins’.



Remember that your bored family living in the microcosm of your hometown will love to be super-critical of you and him - so make sure you can weather the barrage - any weakness will be exploited by your family. If you want him to stand beside you, you must be solid and united! Anything less is courting disaster! 

You will be forced to decide one or the other - and before you all jump on me at this point!...it happens between Chinese as well! Your true love’s family wasn't suitable for your family (or visa versa) and you ended up married to a man everyone thought was ’excellent for you’ but wasn’t...and that is why you are over 30 and un-married now! Cat-scratch reality ladies, sorry!



6) Fail to listen or try to understand his situation.



This is a combination of all the above - you have your agenda and ’path’ fully mapped. The river you happily skipped over, he is deeply wading through with serious doubts and concerns. Why is he here in the wilderness?, what is he searching for?, why is he following someone who seems to have a different agenda to him and constantly springs surprises and changes on him?



If he says ’no’ or ’wait’, you are so happily plotting the wedding ceremony that you fail to notice his issues, much less take them on as serious issues that need discussion. 

He says he is not happy with a situation and in 2 days time, you do it anyway...because it is ’the Chinese way’...and he must accept it! But you have turned on him - siding with what you know and believe and not even bothered to listen to his concerns or evaluate other possible alternatives. It just it! If it happens too much, he will lose interest in you!



Some similar situations are:



- You will ask you friends (and forums) about how to handle his money when in fact that is a discussion you should be having with him, sometime after the 50th date, when things are settling into a pattern of discussion and normality.



- You will have created elaborate ’structures’ that allow him to give you what you want - regardless of his business or personal situation, you have decided he can stay in your city with you so you have investigated a job for him in your uncle’s factory, or you have moved out of home and are prepared to uproot your whole existence (leaving family and friends in a fiery rage against him before they have met him because of your insistence that ’he is the one!’ and you will do anything to grab hold of him!) 



- You are prepared to move to a new city or country with the ’faith’ that your ’love’ will conquer all obstacles but you do this without considering any of his concerns! You will do this without concern for the people you say you love the most - your family and child. You are prepared to create totally new life, only with him! He sees this ’blind faith’ as irresponsible and unreasonable to other parties and a dangerous dependency on him. He wants a well-adjusted ’partner’, not a dependant child!



Ok, well there are probably a few hundred other ’issues’ that can arise in week one of the Chinese Dating Game! I dare not suggest that this is complete - but becoming more culturally aware of others through active listening and not relying on ’what is right!’ (from your cultural perspective). 



Grow together as two seeds in the same pot, not two seeds in the jungle!



In all relationships, and especially cross-cultural ones, there is no right or wrong nor correct or incorrect, just active listening, understanding and concessions by all parties! 



You have to be prepared for that and make everyone else aware that you have a different animal on your hands - a bit wild and very different in some fundamental ways - and they will all have to learn how to get along through compromise and understanding.



Same goes for the guys!!



经过我的观察和在中国的恋爱经历,我决定把一些想法付诸于文字。我绝对不是任何意义上的专家,这些仅仅是我个人的观察和亲身经历的一些“恐惧”和“麻烦”。如果你是一位女士,看到本文时发现自己有以下行为,你可能需要改变一些做法。如果你是一位男士,正在跟中国女性恋爱,做好准备面对以下的情绪和情况,因为这些在中国特别正常,你需要接受这个事实。



当然,每个个体都不一样,然而文化及其期待意味着很多人在这些方面想法都差不多。



原归正传,我提醒女士们不要犯以下错误:



1.想当然地认为他们是中国人,不管是喜好方面还是行为方面。



我们每个人是由我们的环境所塑造的。从家庭和环境学习到的为人处事的方式和文化习惯很重要,不可消磨。你喜欢他与中国男人的“区别”,知道文化现实的时候却不能面对这样的文化区别,这不是很奇怪吗?!



有时他不会按照中国方式办事,可能也不会忍受中国妻子对丈夫提出的要求。他也不会认同做某些事情就意味着他是个坏人或者花花公子,因为这些行为在他们的文化和社会完全很合理,是可以接受的。



他可能不会认同一些家庭决定,有的时候不会自愿照做。他是个独立、坚强的人,不会像你所期望的那样在你的父母、叔舅、兄弟面前退缩。你需要跟他站在一条战线上,并且在家人面前维护他:你需要决定到底是支持他的独立精神和优点还是站在你家人那边。当你的家人反对他的时候,你站在哪一边?



有很多事情将会跟你所习惯的完全不同,有些事情可以改变,或者两个人可以适应,共同开始新的生活。有些事情是跟一个文化习惯不同的人生活在一起你必须接受的。你们可以这样来看待这个问题:你愿意被带走,一辈子被关在一个箱子里吗?不能见到自己的家人朋友,不能干自己喜欢干的事情,别人告诉你该干什么,去哪里....什么样的行为可以接受,而什么不可以接受…你愿意过这样的生活吗?为什么你要这样对待他呢?



2. 理所当然地认为他们是中国人--文化期待



如果你不给你的男朋友解释中国人在见面,礼节和各种情况下的文化习惯,你可能并不是很诚实。



例如,你告诉你男友你叔叔出差来这个城市,要请你们吃饭。他以为你们只是见个面,而完全没有意识到大哥其实是全家派来的探子,如果“面试”顺利的话,三个月后你男友就可以按照他们的计划“入赘”你家了!



有些事情该警告的时候就应该事先警告他,不要让他蒙在鼓里,一无所知!如果可能的话,要拒绝家人所有的暗箱操作,一定在他答应要跟你结婚,白头到老之后再跟家人见面。



在中国,见家人和朋友,一起出入公共场合参加各种活动都是有含义的,家人朋友对此会有所定义和期待,因此,除非你完全确定你的男友知道你们的行为意味着什么,中国文化对两人恋爱关系时间方面有什么期待,否则你还是不要邀请他。让你的家人接受你们的关系是你的责任。你也是唯一能够在家人面前保护他的人,所以不要在一些事情的真实含义 和性质上误导他!



3. 认为他想要孩子



说真的,中国人的想法就是,结婚就等于孩子。不管对母亲还是孩子来说这是一件多么危险、不切实际的事情。如果要孩子是他的头等大事,他会去追30岁以下的待嫁姑娘,她们臀部丰满,适合生育,而不会来追你!



这并不意味他们绝对不可能考虑要孩子或者不喜欢家里多个小人儿,但是如果你的目标是婚姻的话,第二次约会的时候就提起来这件事,可能会意味着你到达目标的道路会非常坎坷!



他喜欢你是因为你优雅,富有人生经验,你们年龄相当,兴趣相投,喜欢跟你在一起,欣赏你的理想激情,而不是因为你可以生小孩!



很多的外国男人放眼海外是因为他们在自己国家的女人身上发现不了魅力或兴趣,所以他们转战其他国家,想要找到“感觉”。如果一个男人年纪大了,已经有孩子了,或者年事已高,不想要孩子了,“跟你生个孩子”可能不在他的此生计划之内!这个话题绝对不适合第二次见面的时候就提起!



4. 照着清单打勾



我约会过的女人大都对通向婚姻的道路有自己清楚的想法,他们似乎认为需要约会21次 加上17次或减17次,每次约会都要有个清单需要一项项打勾,如果有一项没有打勾,一场莫名其妙的怒云风暴就会爆发,直到这件事情办妥了,然后游戏继续,就好像什么事情也没发生过一样!



整个恋爱过程好像是照着清单打勾,达到目标的过程,其中稍微带点随意性和自由性。好像是个中国人遵循的程序以制造一个“中国认可”的的婚姻。”也许我说得有点过分,不过大概意思就是这样!



如果你坚定地照着一个事先拟好的清单来,对不同的观点没有任何让步,或者不在你们俩之间找到共同点,就是在自找麻烦,要记住开始的时候男人会让着你,但是他也是有底线的。



他对你的复杂心存兴趣,想要花更多时间跟你在一起……可是如果你继续照着清单打勾,意识不到他也是个复杂的人,你需要在一些事情上作出让步,否则的话你们很快就渐行渐远!



尽管婚姻可能是你们的最终的目标,你会发现他可能会提出一些条件,你要要面对或者摒弃,如果你完全忽视这些问题,不愿意花费时间跟他商量可行的办法,可能会出现类似泰坦尼克遇上冰山的问题……



这些问题和清单内容往往和恋爱阶段并不等同,这些条条框框意味着这是一段不太健康的恋爱关系,建立于规则之上,而不是相互的爱和信任之上。



尽管开始的时候这些规则可以被解释为“文化现实”,它们很快就会成为一种负担,因为这只是机械地打勾划对号,而不是在实际意义上了解彼此。当做法A意味着他是个好男人,而做法B就意味着他是个花花公子,而完全没有考虑“中间地段”的可能性,例如“他是个好男人,只不过偶尔喜欢跟他的朋友在酒吧喝两杯。” 这种思维方式的引导只会带来风暴的积累和酝酿。



我要说的话可能听起来有点搞怪,你可以玩这个游戏,但是玩得不要太明显。外国男人喜欢觉得自己有自由意志,即使事实上他们没有!你们应该学会给他们点面子,让他们自己选择下一步怎么办。在通向婚姻的道路上,他们没有你们走得快,你们不应该朝他尖叫,让他快步赶上你,而应该退后两步,帮助他一起在迷雾风雨中的陡峭山路上前行,这比前者要好得多。



要记得,外国男人们认为“一起”意味着以相同的速度一起前进,如果你在前面疾步奔走,好像不愿意享受当下在一起的感受,而是想要达到将来在一起的目标。这种方式会留下不佳的印象……这个女人总是想要更多,不想平静地享受当下。外国男人会认为这样的婚姻之路是一种束缚,



你会得到你想要的:一个安全的被困住的男人。然后你回归中国方式把各种中国期待强加于他,不能承受的家人之重……不管他有多爱你,这不是一个他会“自愿”步入的一种境遇。你可能开始的时候会打赢几场小战役,不过你可要记得你的目标是打赢整个战争!



5 制造复杂问题



笼统来说,中国人好像能把最简单的事情搞成一个复杂的乔治结!



你们好像不管什么时候都要把家人和朋友也拉进来:



他建议出去吃饭,你想请你的父母或者朋友,而他需要掏钱好给你面子。你们出去玩需要带上你活跃的外甥女和阴沉沉的侄子,而且你们需要在一个很不方便的时间回来,他们好写完他们的作业。再比如,原本打算只是见你长大成人的儿子,结果变成了“合家大欢乐”,弄得你和你的儿子都不高兴。



当然,家人很重要,可是自己的时间和你们单独相处也很重要!如果老是有各种各样的干扰,他就会觉得你不喜欢跟他在一起,让越来越多不重要的人进入你们的生活就是在你们之间强加进一个障碍。



花时间地慢慢了解家人朋友,不要制造不必要的惊奇。不要逼别人假装喜欢某人或者伪装出某种回应。你的目标是建立真正的信任和深层委身,而不是肤浅的面子或“一帆风顺的爱情”。



要记得,你住在老家的家人特别无聊,他们拿着显微镜研究你们的生活,对你和他会非常挑剔。所以你要保证你们能够忍受得了持续不断的炮火,你们关系中的任何弱点都会被你家人批评。如果你想让他站在你身边,你们俩必须团结一致!任何有损这个目标的做法都会导致灾难!



你必须要做二选一的选择,你们要打我之前,我宣布中国人的恋爱也是这样!你的白马王子跟你门不当户不对,或者门当户对,结果你嫁了一个大家说你们绝配,而事实上你们并不合适。这就是为什么你们三十多岁了依然单身的原因。如果猫咪不想跟你玩儿了,你还要逗它,它就开始抓你了。只就是现实,你应该接受,对不住了,女士们!



6. 不愿意倾听或者理解他的想法和处境



这是上述问题集合到一起出现的情况----你已经策划好了你们的将来和道路。你心情愉悦地越过一条河,而他在艰难地跋涉过河,心里满是怀疑和各种疑问。为什么他身处荒郊野外?他在寻找什么? 他跟着一个人,而这个人跟他的安排不一样,常常制造各样想不到的惊讶,期待各种各样的和改变,为什么?



如果他说,“不!”或者“等一等”,你还在异常高兴地计划婚礼,根本就没注意到他的问题,压根儿就没把这些当做严重问题,更别提就完全没想到有什么问题需要商量的。



他说他因为一件事不高兴,两天之后,你还是照你的想法做了……”因为中国人就是这样做的“而他必须接受! 但是你已经惹恼了他,你选择了你的方式,根本不努力试图去听他的想法或者考虑其他可行的解决办法。只能这样办!如果这种事情常常这样处理,他会对你失去兴趣!



一些类似的情况举例如下:



你问的你的朋友或者在论坛上求助,该怎么处理他的钱,而事实上,你应该跟他商量,有的时候应该是你们约会五十次以后才能问的,到那时你们的关系差不多定型了,可以讨论些重要问题了。



你会想出来一些复杂的办法,让他做你想让他做的事情,不管他的事业在哪里,个人情况如何。你自作主张他得留在你的城市,你会给他在你舅舅的工厂找一个工作,或者你搬离了老家,打算连根拔起,离开自己的家人和朋友    他们还没见你男友本人,因为你坚持认为“我就嫁他了!”而且你不惜一切代价要抓住这个男人。



你打算搬到一个新的国家或者城市,因为你“相信”你们的“爱情”能够战胜一切困难。但是你完全不考虑他的想法和顾虑。你也不考虑你最爱的人的感觉,你的家人和孩子。你已经准备好开始一个全新的生活,这个生活里只有他!他认为这种盲目的信心对其他人不负责任,是不合理的,而且对他也是种危险的依赖。他需要的是一个适应性强的伴侣,而是不是一个依赖性很强的孩子!



好吧,跟一个中国女人约会的第一个星期,可能会出现几百个其他的“问题”!我不敢说以上所说的有多全,然而通过积极的倾听,而不要依赖你们文化怎么定义“正确的事情”,一句话,要多倾听对方,在文化方面更体谅对方。



你们要像两粒种子,长在同一个盆子里,而不是灌木林里的两粒种子!



在所有的恋爱关系中,尤其是在跨国恋爱关系中,并没有对错之分,而是双方都应该积极地倾听,互相理解和相互让步!



你应该为此做好准备,让大家都意识到你的手上的动物与众不同:它有点野性,在很多方面都完全不同;他们都需要学习怎么通过让步和理解来好好相处。



对男性同胞们来说道理是一样的!


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#2013-12-30 14:51:15 by JohnAbbot @JohnAbbot

I hope the Chinese ladies will take some time to really read and understand both the content of the blog and the spirit in which I am sure Gareth is offering it. The points he is making are extremely important to making your relationship work with your intended western lifemate, and the intent is to assist you to do that. Please read and digest this information.

Guys, there's a lot you can learn from this as well.

#2013-12-30 17:12:41 by lhui @lhui

"Grow together as two seeds in the same pot, not two seeds in the jungle!" great!

#2013-12-30 21:49:37 by Helenluo63 @Helenluo63

This is one of the best blogs written recently! It is very suggestive and instructive in helping Chinese to establish a healthy and equal cross-cultural relationship!

#2013-12-31 08:47:57 by anonymous8556 @anonymous8556

Thank you sir for this thoughtful blog. I had a hard time discerning if any of this were tongue-in-cheek or to be taken literally. I am totally new to this. "This" meaning attempting to meet a woman living in China. I have dated Asian--including Chinese--women in the states, some of which were not very "Americanized" yet. I notice certain traits in these ladies--besides appearances. I got the impression that some of these behaviors or traits are magnified in women who don't live in the US. This has made me re-think this whole thing. Looks aren't everything! I have had some very beautiful ladies. I would look at them thinking, "I don't deserve such a beautiful lady" Then after getting to know them I would think to myself, "No way. I do not deserve to be this miserable".

#2013-12-31 10:58:17 by paulfox1 @paulfox1

Excellent post Gareth - thank you !
Couple of points that I would also like to raise - one of which you have already mentioned

1) Dont treat the hotel room with such dis-respect. Yes, it is a paid-for service and the room may be cleaned everyday, but your guy does not want to go into the bathroom to find your "rubbish" lying everywhere and water all over the sink and floor. There is a BIN - use it ! - There are towels - use them !
If you treat the hotel room like this, he will think you treat your home the same way. No-one wants to live with a "pig"

2) Yes it's great to meet your friends - but inviting 10 of them to join you for dinner, then off to a KTV party maybe fun, but why should you expect HIM to foot the bill ?

RMB1000 for dinner plus another RMB2000 for the ktv party just so that your friends can enjoy themselves and you can show off your new man is fine if the bill is shared
Your man will happily pay for YOUR dinner and YOUR share of the KTV party - but he should not be expected to pay for all your friends who he has never met and probably does not care if he meets or not

I am sure there will be other things that I will think of, but for now these are 2 that spring to mind

#2013-12-31 12:41:52 by Apinkapple @Apinkapple

@JohnAbbot
Happy New Year.

#2013-12-31 14:44:04 by sky810 @sky810

Suggestive comments, thanks.

#2013-12-31 17:37:21 by aussieghump @aussieghump

@anonymous8556 and other readers

I know at times some of my writing seems to be a joke or to be taken with a laugh - but this one is not one of those! In fact, most of my 'blog writing' is written from the heart and not intended to be funny or misleading - some of my comment...that might be a different story!

A recent visit from my mother brought back a memory of a previous girlfriend who decided that meeting my mother was the 'green light' to a marriage when in fact, she was plainly told, on many occasions, that my mother was in China to visit me and it had absolutely no 'Chinese Way' connotations - much to her chagrin. So, I was trying to put into words some of the issues that have come up for me in the past that have 'ruined' relationships and/or tipped them into the wrong direction.

I am certainly not an angel - and as a male, probably difficult to get a 'real feeling' from - but pay attention to the mood of the person and see if you cannot detect a change in them! I think this is part of the issue for me too - the feeling that everything is quite rushed and that my concerns are 'not important' in the big picture. It means that the lady is not 'in sync' with me does not know my 'true' feelings on things! It takes time for this to be the case - not a 5 minute whirlwind romance. To assume that you know - or to do things that fly in the face of my feelings won't be tolerated too long!

And I am not unique in this - I suspect that most males - Chinese and Foreign - get into this sort of situation when 'double happiness' is the logical outcome!

#2013-12-31 20:21:02 by zhshwu @zhshwu

在中国也有简洁明了轻松不累赘的快乐见面。即,你见她本人即可,两人感觉很好,要深入发展,才见与之有深切关系的关键人物。
相对来说,没有繁文缛节,在时间上,精力上,金钱上,都会轻松很多。
你可能没有遇到这种快乐会面。
In China also has a clear and concise not burdensome easily meet happiness. Namely, you see her, two people feel good, want to further development, only see a deep relationship with the key figures. Relatively speaking, there is no red tape, in time, energy, money, will be a lot easier. You may not encounter this kind of happiness.

#2014-01-01 07:08:00 by Runelabs @Runelabs

Interesting stuff and I feel there is a lot to learn still of Chinese culture, since I'm just beginning and being here far away in Norway. I lived for some years in Brazil, so I recognize some points as similar, but I think that the most important thing for anything to work is accepting that the two people in the relationship must be the ones central to the efforts of the couple. Respecting and taking care of each one's families is important, as losing touch or upsetting them is very hurtful, but I think that having some insight into how one's partner feels towards obligations to the family is very important and to be able to empathize with them.

Here in Norway, social structure is such that the government takes care of a lot of services and needs for families - and the elderly. Sadly, this probably makes the fast closing upcoming wave of elderly people a bit harder to handle here in Norway, and I think having strong family ties is something that the West will need to make rapidly important. Imagine this, in roughly 20 years there will be 3x times greater numbers of elderly over 65 years than today. This will surely devastate the health care services of most countries, and make private health services so much more important, as well as health insurance. Brazil is the only country in the world right now that spends more on private health care than on public health care, but this will undoubtedly change.

Therefore I don't think that Chinese family values and traditions are the "wrong way", but something that social change around the world will need to once again re-learn where it was forgotten. Family will become very important in the not-so-distant future, but so will also the happiness between two people continue to be. Best not become the slave or ignorant of either one of them, but find a healthy and up-to-date balance.

I hope to spend a lot more time learning about how Chinese daily life works, and more about family structures. Now that the company I work for has set up our first installation in Shanghai, maybe I'll get the chance to visit too - since I've never been to China, but just admired the history, food and culture for long as an eager martial arts practitioner and instructor. :-D

@JohnAbbot - amazingly great site you got - I work with Internet technologies (mostly telco) and have long done technical security work as well, so the attention given to member safety on this site is second to none and first rate! :-D

Happy New Year here from Norway too to all! ;-)
-Rune

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