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In Response To Achelle's Of Dogs and Men    

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5640 Views | 22 Comments | 11/30/2014 1:55:00 PM

Yin Ting Yu requested this image be posted with his blog as he uses it occasionally as a personal logo.

The following was posted by YinTingYu as a comment on Achelle's recent blog "Of Dogs and Men" but we felt it was deserving of a guest post because it give such an insightful and imaginitive description of another side of the discussion about the killing of animals for food. The tradition of hunting wild game.  With YinTingYu's consent we give you his guest blog.

First,...I feel we should remember that there was a time when humans lived in more harmony with nature.

Hunting for food was necessary for survival and,... it was different.

There was an exchange between the hunter and the hunted.

A sort of respect for an animal giving it's life for the continuation of another life.

One never kills just for the pleasure of killing!!

This is what I was taught.

On the other hand,...the experience of "the hunt" and the lessons learned from it, can still be very beneficial for developing certain aspects of human integrity that are (sadly) lacking in modern society.

At the age of 11 years I remember the preparation.....

My father and I made our own crossbows from salvaged auto leaf springs.

Shaped the stocks from oak firewood and constructed the trigger mechanisms by hand.

Made the bolts (short arrows) nocks, vanes, and heads as well.

He had to help me string and draw it,...I was little then. :)

Daily target practice and safety instruction followed.

The hunting clothes were washed without soap and left outside to dry for a couple of days to be as scent free as possible.

Showers were taken early on the “hunt” morning and, dried fruit was the provision of choice.

Walking through the woods, on a crisp November moonlit morning, as silent as possible and searching/listening for "signs", all senses acute and ready for dawn,... was good training.

Then to approach the quarry from downwind and get close enough for business, nock the bolt, aim (all silent) and let the arrow find it's mark.

During that moment one has to be very Confident with Intention.

There is no turning back at that point.

This teaching has served me VERY well in many things I do today from music to machining. Also,...human  interactions.

What's that you say ?

Sounds like Scottish genetics ?

True. :)

Next, to make your way quickly to the animal (wild hog or deer) look it in the eyes with a certain “compassion”, release it from suffering, give thanks to Spirit (Dad always said 'Thank you God') and,... begin further processing.

I know that the previous description may have read a little bit romantic and graphic but it's true and,... I'm trying to make a point here and that is;  gathering food in the described manner is vastly different from going to the grocery store (or fast food restaurant) and purchasing some meat that you don't know where it came from, what it was fed, or how it was raised.

I can't really say whether it is good or bad,...I don't like, condone, or engage with the grocery store/restaurant version!!

I've not purchased meat in about 14 years except for my father when he really wanted a slice of ham for a sandwich and breakfast.

I did not care that the doctors wanted him to be on a “low sodium diet”.

Hell,...a 90 year old man had such a simple request,........make him a good tasting sandwich (Dammit)!!

The effect was "priceless".

Of course,... it was from a local smoke house and I had to sample a small taste for quality assurance.  :D

Fish or Vegetables ?

This is a tough one for me because I really like them both but, I would have to go with vegetables as first choice.

Ever since I was 2 (and even to this day),.... I have enjoyed vegetables.

Yes,...a big plate of brown rice, some Brussels sprouts, broccoli, or asparagus with onions, and Portabella mushrooms makes me a happy camper.

After lengthy discussion with them on the topic of being eaten (both before and after harvest),... Vegetables seem to accept their position as food source.

"If you do not eat us we will rot and be of no service".

"Let us help you live".

I can present no viable argument.

Fish seem to have a slightly different perspective and yet, especially if they are wild caught, still have some understanding of natural events and their place in the food chain but,...I'm more "catch and release" unless of course,... it's a really "slick" lookin' fish.  (rofl)

I do not like the idea of "farm raised" fish except for VERY certain circumstances.

Too many hormones and antibiotics in the feed.

There is something that appeals to me about fishing by “line and hook”.

It takes a special "know how" and patience to land a good catch.

Whether you're going for bass, steel head, snapper, salmon, cod, (or some other Oriental delicacy  ;) ) , they can all be prepared in such a variety of tasty ways.

Net fishing ??

 Has to be sardines for me. Excellent source of Omega-3's and good sandwich material or pasta topping as well.

Of course all this applies to a time when it was relatively safe to eat fish.

Fortunately,...the deep waters off the coast of Chile still hold promise.

Now, back to the topic of Achelle's article.

I am an animal appreciator and as far dogs go,...I  Luuuuuuuuuv  Salukis !!!

If any one were to eye them with intentions of possible dinner entre' items,...I would be very quick to "spank" that person verbally and discontinue interaction until the error of ways were seen.

 I've done it before,...sadly.

Good god!! Possibly the oldest domesticated breed of dog known to man.

Entombed with Pharaohs for accompaniment in the "After Life".

Companions of Kings and Chinese emperors.

In some Arabic countries "El Hur" (the noble) cannot be bought or sold,...only given as gifts or sometimes,... exchanged for a wife.

Each with their own personalities, very intelligent and, develop great attachment to their human family.

It takes an intelligent and understanding steward though....

I have raised 13 and now consider deep about purchasing larger property (5 acres fenced) to raise and give them care.

So,.... I'm slightly prejudiced in this regard.  :D

Could or would I ever eat one (or any 'pet')??

Well,...maybe but,... it would have to be some VERY extreme circumstances like,.... "The Donner Party Expedition" and, I certainly would not "kill" it for food first.

Maybe,.... to give it release from suffering and then eat.

It's a VERY hard question for me.

So, personal conviction is that I am against the large scale slaughter or inhumane treatment of all creatures and I will “SPEAK UP” when these incongruent challenges appear in my sphere of perception.

The Edmund Burke quote "There is, however, a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue", Very, Very true and,........ what can we do about it ?

Offer pertinent reminders and suggestions.

Oh,'s one concerning human dietary nutritional needs.

"Food That Kills"

Also “Forks Over Knives”,....if one can find it.

Peace and Blessings,

Yin Ting Yu

a.k.a. Gongji

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#2014-11-30 14:17:57 by JohnAbbot @JohnAbbot

I want to thank YinTingYu for allowing us to post this as a Guest Blog instead of as a comment on Achelle's blog as he originally intended it. I found his description of hunting with his father to be incredibly descriptive, enlightening and touching. I too hunted with my father as a child and teenager, and this brought it all back to me so vividly that I was deeply moved. I don't recall ever reading anything that so clearly spoke to the nobility once attached to an activity that kept the human race alive for countless centuries, but that has recently become the object of scorn and derision by most "civilized" people.

Thank you, YinTingYu, for reminding us that not so long ago hunting was a respected means of putting food on the family table, especially when practised honourably and with great respect for the animal prey.

#2014-11-30 15:25:10 by Barry1 @Barry1


An interesting and well written article, thank you, Yin Ting Yu.

Of course, you're right here. Animals in certain circumstances need to be slaughtered for food. I have no argument with this. Like John, I appreciated your reminiscence of hunting as a child with your father - more power to you.

What I do argue with though is the way that many hapless creatures are currently treated, before being butchered. I'm referring in particular to the large sheep, cow, pig and chicken factory farms, where thousands of animals are often kept alive in highly artificial (unnatural) conditions, sometimes being pumped with plenty of antibiotics and other medications to ensure they don't die before they're supposed to.

But ahh, I don't want to bore anyone with interminable facts and figures to support my above statements. They're freely available on the internet, just google something like "animal cruelty food".

Suffice to say that I have my own views on this subject and I mostly try to not ram them down other people's throats. It's a subject worth discussing however, as if no one says anything or writes anything about what's happening out there, how on earth will it ever be changed or improved?

Well spoken, Gongji! (y)

#2014-12-01 01:50:46 by YinTingYu @YinTingYu

Hello Mr. Abbot (John),
I want to thank you for your excellent suggestion concerning the placement of this post.
The "Guest Blog" format is most appropriate.
Also,...thanks for including my "Rooster Logo" picture.
There is a follow up post regarding the selection and choice of said "Rooster".
If any might be interested.

I want to publicly say thanks for providing ALL the members here with an opportunity to express their comments/views.
It's really good!!
Gosh,...we get the chance to exchange and express our personal view points, meet each other, and maybe,... find a suitable partner as well.
This is GREAT !!

Thanks for including me in the group.
Peace and Blessings
Yin Ting Yu
a.k.a. Gongji

#2014-12-01 04:27:13 by RobertB @RobertB

Excellent article.Yes, I believe. When you see the game and kill it.. You have contact with its spirit. You know that. So you give thanks..
Your experiences of making the bow or crossbow and then hunting gives you a feeling that you can survive and even thrive in any conditions.
Nowadays many people would not know what to do and how..
Remember that before you eat you have to kill and prepare for food. Before you kill you need to find the game. Before that you need to prepare the weapons..
It can take time and effort and know-how.

You may postpone a day or two but then you do not eat for day or two.
You may get weaker and weaker and you do not know jow many days can take to find the game..
It is like an animal.. A lion or another predator has the same problem.
the food may be scarce and run away..
Herbivorous have advantage that food does not runa away and does not hit back. Does not scream or show pain.
It takes determination to be a predator
Humans are both herbivores and predators.
That gives advantages not known to "standard" animals..多功能性 Versatility..
I always try to learn new words. ..
Humans on one hand try to be more "humane" but on the other new and better weapons are devised. New and more restrictive laws are implemented.
One has to be careful as to real kindness.
What is to be kind in real terms?
Like this example.. Yes, someone says is against hunting game but buys food coning from raised animals in slave conditions and slaughtered for food, with no chances not even 0.0001% of survival chance.
It is like saying that you are sorry for a child who died in war but do not worry to drop a nuclear bomb on a city.
Just saying that one needs to be more aware a little bit more.
My opinion is that a lot of suffering comes from people who want to correct or improve the world without the necessary forethought..
Still it is just a thought again..

#2014-12-01 08:08:35 by AchelleVinzons @AchelleVinzons

Hi YinTingYu :)

I agree with your sentiiments. There is nothing inherently wrong in the most basic laws of nature. "Behaving like an animal" has always meant "behaving badly, in an uncivilized and unacceptable manner." This definition, of course, was borne of man's self-awareness, his ego, his sense of superiority over other creatures. But the truth is, animals are more capable of kindness and "humaneness" than humans, because they just know the how of it. Aside from their instinct to survive, they have no other motivations and they take no pleasure from cruelty. And our earliest and supposedly most uncivilized ancestors knew the most how to live in harmony with nature.

But in the course of our evolution and our journey towards becoming "more civilized," we have become one of the world’s top ten most destructive forces. We are on top of the food chain; the ultimate end product of millions of years of evolution. We are the highest form of intelligent beings on the planet, and we are also capable of the worst forms of cruelty because of our "We do because we can” philosophy. I do believe the human race has started to "devolve."

Great blog!

#2014-12-01 09:15:17 by melcyan @melcyan


What you describe definitely fits well with my idea of living in balance with life on Earth. Understanding balance is a matter of life and death for hunter/gatherers. It is also a matter of life and death for humanity as a whole but most of us are unaware of this long term reality.There is no agreement on what a balanced diet is for a human being. I suspect that there are many "balanced" diets possible,a lot with meat and some without meat. Eskimos had a balanced diet that was nearly all meat. At the other end of the spectrum we have vegan diets. As I get older I eat less meat and more vegetables. I now chew my food much more slowly and with more care. I eat my food with more gratitude and awareness. A big part of this change in me has been brought about by my Chinese partner. She is always watching (in a loving way) what I eat and drink and I become healthier with her help.

#2014-12-01 18:13:59 by paulfox1 @paulfox1

Yintingyu - WELL DONE !!!!! - What an interesting blog - I LOVED IT!

@johnabbot, maybe YinTingYu can be encouraged to write more blogs, he has a wonderful style

#2014-12-02 13:42:12 by JohnAbbot @JohnAbbot

@paulfox1 - I agree wholeheartedly with you and have already suggested to YinTingYu that he blog for CLM on an ongoing basis, but for now he has chosen to simply post a guest blog.

However, maybe we could all try to get him to change his mind. This was a great read.

#2014-12-02 13:53:31 by YinTingYu @YinTingYu

Hello brother B.
I thank you sincerely for your comments.
T'was my first attempt at a true blog post :)
I just felt there was something that needed to be said.

I agree with you 100% on the large scale slaughter and inhumane treatment of animals !!
I know well of this sort of treatment and object to it also.

I never feel that you try to "ram" something down others' throats, just speak your mind.
This is known to most.

I'm really so very happy that you have found Tina.
I have some things to say about this that may be comforting / reassuring.
I will post to your personal blog site if you wish to know.

I just have one question,...How in the Hell are you going to stand being parted from her??
Would be most difficult for me,.... if I were in you shoes.

Peace Brother,

Hello Robert,
I want to thank you for reading what I had to say.
I like your response and it "resonates" with my integrity.
I have read many of your responses to blog articles.
You seem to be a "spiritually adjusted" person.
I will be interested to read your comments in the future.
We all need to say the things we feel we need to say and,...we all have MUCH to share.
Peace out...

Hello Achelle,
I want to give you sincere thanks for posting your blog "Of Men And Dogs",...and allowing me to comment.
I realize now that my response was too long for a "comment".
I'm still new to this.
I have read many of your posts and find you to be most intelligent.
Also a good writer as well..
I want to say that I do not see a certain "de-volvement" in the human species but,...I certainly notice a change.

I seem to be considered as "invisible" even when I go to the gas station. (rofl)
Thanks again for your response.
Peace and Blessings

Hello melcyan,
I thank you for your response sincerely.
The things you write are certainly in accord with me !!.
I agree that diets are different for each individual.
I really don't eat much meat these days, not necessary anymore.

I am very happy that you have found a splendid partner!!
I just hope you remember to every once in a while,...sneak up on her when she is not looking and give her a gentle kiss on the neck.
Shows that you love and appreciate her.
You know what I'm saying.

Thanks again for your input.

Hello Paul,
Some how I sort of knew you would dig it !!
Please be assured I will be posting more.
There are many things I wish to discuss that may have interest .

Thanks again.
Hey,...when do we get another post from you ??
No Pressure (rofl)


#2014-12-03 05:40:16 by bmccull @bmccull

Yes I agree, Salukis are delicious!

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