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China, Reminiscences (Part 3)    

By Barry Pittman
2333 Views | 48 Comments | 8/21/2018 12:55:15 PM
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#2018-08-25 00:57:13 by autumn2066 @autumn2066


What is MSM?


Interesting,very interesting.You have my ears.

#2018-08-25 11:44:15 by Barry1 @Barry1



"The material hitting Tower 7 started combustion of furniture and anything in the building that was flammable on 11 floors. This combined with a sprinkler system that failed and a design flaw led to this building collapsing as well."


Sorry buddy, this is absolutely NOT possible.  A furniture fire cannot lead to a perfectly symmetrical collapse of a strong steel reinforced, concrete building.  Never before in all the world has this ever occured.   :^)



#2018-08-25 14:29:51 by anonymous17874 @anonymous17874


You actually got one thing right. "Never before in all the world has this ever occured."

So clearly we need to find a building of the same size possessing the same design flaw and the same amount of flammable material on each floor.. Break the appropriate number of windows, turn off the sprinkler system. Start fires on 11 floors making sure that at least 4 of the floors reach maximum burn and wait and see what happens.

When one floor collapses into another then a symmetrical collapse is definitely possible.

#2018-08-25 14:57:34 by JohnAbbot @JohnAbbot

@Barry1 - I generally agree with you about your summary of the facts you laid out, but I have reservations about a couple of statements you've adopted based on those facts outside of those facts

1. "A man sitting in a cave in Afghanistan" couldn't have done it. I don't believe Bin Laden was the force behind all this, and I think he was just the patsy who made himself easily blamed for what happened, which resulted in him ultimately sitting in a cave while he was being hunted down by forces that intended he be dead before he could talk. However, I doubt very much that he was "in a cave" during the planning and the unfolding of this huge and complicated event, and he did surely have the financial wherewithal to pay for the technical knowledge.

But he did not have the power to make President Bush (supposedly the most powerful man on earth) sit in a kindergarten class with his head up his ass while the entire crime unfolded, and he did not have the ability to have the crime scene largely erased beginning a few hours after the crime took place.

2. I don't necessarily agree that the event was undertaken by "a deep cover, covert cell of the US government". I believe it was brought about by powers outside of the US Government but aided and abbetted by some of the very highest members of the US Government who have been corrupted by those powers for many years. 

Some of my future comments below to other members also address some of your questions about what I think, so please read on.

@anonymous17857 - "I have felt contempt, distrust and disgust for MSM for decades. I feel an even greater contempt, distrust and disgust for the truther (anything goes) movement." 

Well then I feel very sad for you, because it seems that you are left sitting on a fence with no one to believe and nothing to believe in. 

However, I would suggest to you that the MSM are all lying in unison, and doing so in unending support in the narrative being laid out by the powers that be. The truther movement, as you call it, is simply that body of individuals who don't believe the MSM lies. Unlike the MSM it is not a coordinated body of people all saying the same thing. Generally there is an ongoing was between them over who is right and who is wrong. 

Some do not even believe themselves, and will say anything that will garner attention and maybe even economic reward. Others are diligently, intelligently and conscientiously seeking the truth that is being so skillfully hidden by the MSM. The latter are the guys that I admire immensely, and they are the only people in the game who do not deserve your contempt, distrust and disgust.

I'm just saying...

@paulfox1 - please stop writing beLIEve it. You have repeated it so often that I am not sure the headache it gives me is ever going to stop pounding. We got it - the word 'believe' it contains the word 'lie'. Enough already!


You use the word "debunk" as loosely as does the MSM. They raise one little and not that relevant a fact, and then declare the entire matter to have been debunked. Often enough they don't even raise a fact at all, they simply announce the matter to have been debunked as if someone before them has debunked it all.

It maybe true that due to the iron supports losing their structural integrity "the steel did not have to melt for the collapse to occur", but that doesn't explain the fact that there was molten steel flowing out of the buildings, as witnessed by many survivors, including many of the firefighters involved. And if the steel didn't melt, then it would have greatly hindered the collapse of the towers falling so quickly and relatively perfectly straight down. There would have been walls buckling and falling both outwardly and inwardly.

Of course it is understandable that some eyewitness repors might be inaccurate, but that is not a reason to say they are inaccurate. They are presumed to be accurate until proven otherwise.

What material hitting Tower 7 "started combustion of furniture and anything in the building that was flammable" that led to the building collapsing. What material could have been coming from the falling towers that would pass through the walls of Tower 7 and then cause the furniture to instantly combust? What kind of material was this furniture made of, that was so combustible? 

With all this explosive combusting going on, how did Tower 7 manage to fall exactly as if it was a perfectly planned and executed demolition, which would have had to be planned and set up many days, if not weeks, before the twin towers fell? 

@anonymous17857 - MSM is the acronym for Main Stream Media, which coincidentally accounts for about 90% of all news media in the Western World and which is owned or controlled by 6 corporations. The people who own and run those corporations are worth billions upon billions of dollars, tend to party together and enjoy each other's company, and tend to look down upon the rest of us as disposible commodities as opposed to fellow human beings. At least, that's how I see them.

If we have your ears then you should brace yourself. You are about to go down a very long and twisted rabbit hole.

@anonymous17874 - "When one floor collapses into another then a symmetrical collapse is definitely possible."

Anything is possible. It is possible that the world is flat. About the same degree of possibility as Tower 7 coming down symetrically in the manner it did as a result of the causes speculated upon as you've described them.

#2018-08-25 21:01:45 by anonymous17878 @anonymous17878


"It maybe true that due to the iron supports losing their structural integrity "the steel did not have to melt for the collapse to occur", but that doesn't explain the fact that there was molten steel flowing out of the buildings, as witnessed by many survivors, including many of the firefighters involved."


You don't have to explain molten steel flowing out of the building because there wasn't any.  The molten metal that we can see in the video is molten aluminium containing both metal and non-metal impurities. Most of the plane was constructed from different alloys of aluminium. Alloys of aluminium contain other metals added to the aluminium. Pure molten aluminium is silver but impurities change its colour.

#2018-08-25 22:33:39 by paulfox1 @paulfox1


John's summary is perfect. That said, I would like to share, with you all, something quite profound.

Last night I woke with a 'start'. It was around 4.30am. I had been thinking about the subject of this particular blog, along with other 'conspiracies', when I went to sleep.


What woke me so early was something that 'entered my brain' as some kind of 'message' that told me the following-

You already know the Earth is 'flat' - get over it!

You already know that 9/11 was an 'inside job' - get over it!

You already know that man never went to the Moon - get over it!

You know you've been lied to all your life - get over it!

Stop trying to prove these things to others, and start to concentrate on YOU!


As I said, this 'message' was so profound it wasn't funny. It wasn't a 'dream', nor was it a 'voice' in my head, it was just a 'realisation', I guess. I can't explain it.


I went back to sleep and woke at my usual time of 7am.

There was an alert on my computer that one of the YT channels I subscribe to had uploaded an important video. It was 1 hour and 29 minutes long.

As I watched it, my jaw dropped to the floor. This guy was re-iterating EVERYTHING that I had known at 4.30am.

The word 'incredible' doesn't do it justice.

I sent the link to @Barry1 and asked him to watch it. I'm not going to post it here because I think it's too 'out-there' for many people to understand, but I WILL put the link in my forthcoming blog, which will be a response not only to @Imi, but also to @Barry1 with regard to his 9/11 blog.

With some explanation, and some 'dot-joining', I'll be able to explain to you why we're lied to about such things as 9/11; who the liars are and what their 'agenda' is, and then go on to suggest some things we can all do about it.

Once I have explained it, I'll post the link to the video I mentioned and you can watch someone explain it to you in a much better, and calmer, way than I possibly could.


The video should come with a warning, as will my blog, because this is not for the 'faint-hearted'. This is serious stuff, folks. Many people reading what's coming will just laugh it off as being 'crazy'. I'll be called everything from a 'nut-job' to a 'fruit-loop', but you know what? I don't CARE what people call me, because I care more about my friends and family. I also care about my 'friends' here on CLM - even though we've never met in person.

What's happening in the world today are things that every living human being needs to know. It's up to them if they want to check-it-out, or 'dump' it in the 'crazy conspiracy theory' bucket. Either way is fine, because we ALL have a choice.

Is it relevant to CLM and relationships in general? Oh boy, it's relevant on a MASSIVE scale.




#2018-08-25 23:46:03 by newbeginning @newbeginning

John please make a category for "conspiracy theories" on CLM as this blog and other similar blogs are not the place for conspiracy discussions. This is supposed to be about China, Chinese/western relationships.... 


Thank you

#2018-08-26 00:00:04 by Barry1 @Barry1



"the steel did not have to melt for the collapse to occur. The temperature needed for iron supports to lose their structural integrity is lower than 1830 degrees F"


You still haven't responded to my question as to why there were multiple rivulets of MOLTEN STEEL pouring out from some sections of the towers? Firefighter testimony confirmed this as well as video evidence, showing the melted steel pouring out where most likely, the thermite had neatly sliced through various thick steel beams. Yet burning jet fuel is utterly incapable of melting steel.


I'm also still waiting on an answer as to why both oral as well as video evidence exists as to why there were explosions in the basement areas of the towers immediately BEFORE the first plane hit? My belief is this was part of the "softening up" process of the preplanned demolition of the towers.


You also keep alluding to some sort of "design fault" in the construction of Tower 7.  I put it to you as politely as I can that this is arrant nonsense. What sort of design flaw are you referring to?


Don't you also find it mighty coincidental that all three buildings - the two main trade towers, PLUS tower 7, all collapsed perfectly symmmetrically?  Are you so jaundiced in your outlook that you cannot believe that maybe all these buildings had been deliberately and very carefully, prewired up by a professional demolition team, so that each building would fall perfectly on top of itself? It's unthinkable... yet no other explanation exists that explains everything.


I don't believe in amazing coincidences all occurring at the same time. First tower 1 collapses perfectly. Then the same as tower 2.  Then tower 7.  How convenient. How unbelievable.


Perhaps I can leave you with yet another question. Why were some mainstreeam media reporting the collapse of tower 7 BEFORE it actually had collapsed?  You can see this for yourself on YouTube. I believe they were reading from a script, and simply got the timing of it wrong. But who wrote the script? Almost certainly, it was the same people behind the disaster. They control mainstream media.


I know this is all extremely hard to digest. Forces within a country murdering their own citizens. But when viewed dispassionately, the facts simply don't add up, as far as two planes causing all of this damage.  Particularly as the tower designers stated the towers had been designed strongly enough to NOT fail, should a large aircraft strike them. 


Then there's the weird actions of President George W Bush. I believe he was in on it. The commander in chief of the US military sitting in a kindergarten whilst all this was occurrring around him. Very, very odd behaviour....    :^)


#2018-08-26 07:50:13 by Barry1 @Barry1



"What is MSM?"


MSM is mainstream media, that is, the normal radio, TV and newspapers that everyone sees. It is controlled by just a small handful of very powerful people, who effectively can influence what is  -  or what is not  - commented upon or reported. 


This then places these powerful people in situations where they can influence the whole of society to their way of thinking, slowly... step by step...  quite a potentially dangerous situation where a handful of people have such power.  :^)



#2018-08-26 07:56:54 by Barry1 @Barry1



"we need to find a building of the same size possessing the same design flaw"


I put it to you, Anon17874, that the fable about tower 7 having a "design flaw" is utter, unmitigated rubbish.  They had to come up with a fiction like this, in order to help explain the perfectly executed, deliberate demolition of this sturdy concrete building.   :^)



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