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A Scam is a Scam is a Scam! Part 1:, – What’s the Difference?    

By John Abbot
2935711 Views | 31 Comments | 1/14/2014 1:44:17 PM

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As a lawyer, I got very used to hearing a quite famous line about lawyers. In fact my then wife, from an earlier life, was the one who most frequently loved to mock me by repeating it at every party we ever attended. But I didn’t mind because it really is a way for people to make fun of lawyers that does no harm to anyone. Everybody loves to hate lawyers, but there generally remains an underlying respect for the fact that without the best lawyers, the truly gifted and honorable ones, the world today would be a harsher and much less free world than it is.  Ok, ok, ok – I digressed, but there is a point.

The line was “Liar, Lawyer – What’s the Difference”.

So what’s the point? It has recently been brought to my attention that has changed its stripes and is now disguising itself as both and  So I started to do a little bit of investigating and the more I saw, the more reminded I was of the above mentioned humorous attack on lawyers. I kept thinking about that line and interposing the words to, or – What’s the Difference?

Sadly, the one thing missing was any hint of humor. What I am about to report is far, far from funny. After scamming thousands (or hundreds of thousands?) of truly innocent victims out of millions (or hundreds of millions?) of dollars, has so completely lost credibility in the world of international online dating that it has attempted to superficially reinvent itself as and  In order to carry on screwing the people it pretends to be serving out of copious amounts of cash, sometimes a substantial portion of their life savings, while pretending to be assisting them in finding true love, has found it necessary to seemingly disappear and come back as someone else.

You will also find these sites referred to as AsianBeauties or Asian Beauties and AsianDate or Asian Date or AsiaDate or Asia Date respectively.

But who exactly is (

Well, let’s start here:

Type into your browser the domain name:

You will land on a page that appears to be “”, and ostensibly is a new, exciting Asian dating website. (See photo #1 below). Got it?

Now close your browser and start again. It’s important to close your browser so there’s no chance of missing how they are gaming people (and probably gaming Google too).

Now type into your browser the domain name: You’ll land on almost exactly the same page, with one minor exception. Now it is “ – Your Newfound AsianBeauties”. (See photo #2 below)

Note the line that says “The best Anti-scam protection in the industry.”


Okay, maybe I was wrong. Actually maybe there is some humor in this.  I mean it’s funny that anyone could come up with this crap.

It is true that individual scammers who sneak onto other dating sites aren’t going to be on (er, excuse me,, er... I mean because they don’t allow just anyone to join. The men have to be ready, willing and able to cough over money by the bucket full and the women are either innocent victims themselves, who have paid upwards of $3,000 to $5,000 to the Chinese Agencies representing (er, excuse me, and whose profiles are then used for numerous scam activities of which they are not aware, or they are simply false profiles of women who are in the employ of those same scamming agencies of the website. 

What independent scammers could survive in that atmosphere? Scammers join dating sites to steal other people’s money, not to have it stolen from them.  So while it is true that AsianDate (AsianBeauties) does, by the very nature of its own complete ripoff activities, coincidentally protect you from outside scammers , there is unfortunately one monstrous scammer they fail to protect you from, and that is themselves.

But, I digress. Back to the AsianDate-AsianBeauties dual personality.

Go ahead and join the new This may change as they get their act together, or more of us write about them, but when I joined about an hour ago on the same day I am posting this article, the welcome page on invited me to complete my profile on  I kid you not (See photo #3 below).

So here’s the final wrap on this little segment on… is the most notorious of all Scam websites in the Asian/Chinese niche. Now they are trying to disguise themselves as But go ahead and join and see who you’ve become a member of… You guessed it – – still alive and kicking. (Again, see photo #3 below). Once you've joined and signed in, nothing has changed and everything is the same. operates exactly as operated (of which you will read much more in future blogs). The scam just goes on and on and on.

So the answer to the question ",, - What's the difference?" is "There is no difference!  None at all!".

Do you think this isn’t important?  Do you think this is just my personal pet peeve? Think again. If sites like these are allowed to survive, if Google and Bing and Paypal and Visa and Mastercard and Baidu and countless other players on the internet continue to support them, then the internet, and the world, is lost to us normal members of the human race, and we are doomed to be the playthings of an entirely corrupt way of life on the internet., and are the enemy of any respectable Chinese or Asian Dating site there is, but sadly there are precious few dating sites in this or any niche that are truly respectable and a substantial number that are actively involved in criminal, or at least semi-criminal, activity.

We need to seriously endeavor to take a giant leap from this small community we have founded and try to expand across the internet the concept that honesty and decency are the true forces that must prevail.

I am aware this seems overdramatic and maybe even self-serving, but I can’t help it. I am disgusted by what I see as the future that my children (and yours) will inherit if we don’t take a stand on this ussue today. And by we, I don’t just mean we individual users of the internet.  I mean  especially the huge international corporations that profit the most from, and have the biggest hand in shaping, the internet, now and in the future. If Google, and Bing and the other major search engines are going to continue to rank these nefarious websites, and/or their fake websites they use as fronts (ala Asian Beauties use of Asian Date), thereby herding innocent victims to their financial doom, and even worse accepting their ill begotten money by the millions to promote them across the internet in their online advertising, then Google and Bing are clearly part of the problem and not part of the solution.

If credit card companies, processors  and payment venues such as Visa and Mastercard and Paypal and countless others are going to continue to willfully accept commissions to assist these sites to profit from their fraudulent activities then likewise they have become part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Are these companies simply turning a blind eye to, and therefore willfully profiting from, these obvious criminal activities of countless dating sites like AsianDate (aka AsianBeauties)? If so, aren’t they also guilty of aiding and abetting such activities?

More on (,, (, and many other Asian and Chinese scam sites coming up soon. Then we’ll branch out to their sister sites in other cultural niches.  Sooner or later, maybe Google and the others will finally wake up if we just keep talking about it.

For detailed information about how these sister sites operate please see our earlier article titled "Speaking of Scams, How About" and watch for future blogs to come.

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#2014-01-14 14:32:49 by anonymous8681 @anonymous8681

As a lawyer, are you aware of any libel lawsuits these sites can attack you with? By just mentioning their names, are you taking a risky chance?

#2014-01-14 19:51:43 by Barry1 @Barry1


"are you aware of any libel lawsuits"

A case for defamation or libel in my view, exists only where no genuine case exists, ie where the claims levelled against them are frivolous or malicious in intent.

As far as these scam dating websites are concerned, they can be PROVEN to be criminal in intent - fraudulent.

Therefore there is no problem here in naming and shaming these criminals.

#2014-01-14 20:33:25 by paulfox1 @paulfox1

Before anyone accuses John of just having "sour grapes" because he owns a dating web-site, let me clarify that ALL of his points are valid and that sites such as Asian Beauties (or whatever they call themselves today) along with ChnLove (and others) should be banned from the internet
I am not certain that search engines actually have the power or facility to do anything about it - so I guess much of it is about word-of-mouth and education
Sadly though, while that takes place, many hundreds (or thousands) of innocent people are being scammed

Take a look at Asian Beauties / Asian Date and look at the girls on there - do you think they are REAL ? They all look like models (without exception)
Join up, spend your money and then write to a few girls
Then try to get them off site to instant messaging or e-mail - YOU CANNOT !
They come up with some stupid 'law' about the 'marriage act' preventing personal contact
This is nothing more than BULLSHIT!
OK, so try to arrange a meeting with the girls - I bet you ANYTHING YOU LIKE that they are 'not available' for the dates you will be in China - GUARANTEED !

The fact that this web-site has 'reinvented itself' using a different name smacks of GUILT in my opinion
Blogs such as Johns have begun to take effect and in a desperate attempt to continue in business, they have changed their name - but whatever they call themselves now or in the future makes no difference

#2014-01-15 00:02:21 by anonymous8685 @anonymous8685

To die for liable they would hv to show that John's words were untrue. They wont be able to so this and they will certainly not wish to make this public as they are obviously trying to hide their past identity.

#2014-01-15 12:51:07 by anonymous8689 @anonymous8689

I am very familiar with the above mentioned sites. I came to the conclusion early that the site is operated by use of simple psychology to trap men and perhaps women into parting with money ASAP.
Most annoying as it took some time and money for me to learn from this.
Anyhow, good on you for notifying those on here of what goes on there too. As a matter of fact I became just a little concerned when I joined this site only to discover I was automaticly inviting myself to join a site related to other Asian countries generally. This is what happened to me when I joined up with the above. My antenna started quivering right away. As the above auto joined me to a site related to Ukraine and then Colombia too.
Anyhow, after reading some blogs here and starting to find my way I am a little settled in my mind. I am still suspicious, but that isn't a bad thing is it? One keeps on keeping on.

#2014-01-15 13:20:05 by zhshwu @zhshwu


(I registered here, I read the blog, blog to read the following reply, also benefit not shallow. Thank you very much.)

#2014-01-15 15:22:37 by anonymous8692 @anonymous8692

People can and will sue for everything these days. Trust me, I know. I have been sued for incredibly ridiculous reasons...and they always won because they had the better lawyers. Having been in domain name disputes before and things of this nature, it is best not to stir the pot. If they can prove in any way, shape, or form that an offensive comment drove away matter how minute or infinitesimal...they will try to take you to the bank. Just looking out for you man.

#2014-01-15 16:45:51 by anonymous8693 @anonymous8693

@PaulFox1 - I agree with Paul's comments on contact on these sites. It just never happens, not in my experience anyhow. If you try to get a contact outside the site your browser gets attacked and you are blocked, naturally if you have decent security on your browser or server you are somewhat protected from these attacks.

Attend the home town of a member and they never appear, ever. Mostly as Paul says before you even leave you are assaulted with excuses as to why no one will be home if you go there.
Take it from me - DONT BOTHER!

#2014-01-16 01:59:13 by JianadaYangGuizi @JianadaYangGuizi

From some sites, will get the most beautiful letters ever written from the most beautiful women in China. I didn't delete my membership just so I could read the letters a few times a year as I find them a source of entertainment now. The letters are almost never written by the lady whose picture you are looking at.

Thankfully, I have avoided every internet scam so far. I always research things well and likely would have Googled " scam" or something like that and read up on it thus avoiding wasting weeks of my time.

I just checked CLM, which I know is reliable already (being a gold member twice) and I didn't see any red flags.

Check this out:

* I really don't think should be rated 100% ... seriously??? They have something called "Web of Trust" (WOT) and rate it as "unsatisfactory" but still gave them 100%? I give "webutations" 70% at best because of this - lol.

Anyhow ... my point is it is very easy to check if a site is legitimate or not by just doing 10 minutes or research prior to joining. Don't rely on just one source of information.

#2014-01-16 02:07:41 by JianadaYangGuizi @JianadaYangGuizi

Oh ... one other important thing (should be obvious but not everyone is internet savy) ...

Protect your Email password by making it unique from all other passwords.

Do not use the same password for your Email or Banking that you use for any dating sites or any other site (including CLM). Sometimes passwords are not encrypted and are stored in a database for any employee to access.

If I was a criminal, all I need is access to your main Email account and I can get access to anything that comes into your inbox without a lot of effort.

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